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JC EPHRAIM: Oh, yeah. Oh, that’s cool. I can use that. This can come. And we shall call soon. When you head home, She’s ready. Let me know.
JC EPHRAIM: She’s ready to go.
JC EPHRAIM: You know, who do you? So it’s my thing.
JC EPHRAIM: You do.
Kevin J: Well, I know you’re feeling good because you’re singing to yourself.
JC EPHRAIM: The bird is lighter. We signed Adam Michelle’s lease yesterday.
Kevin J: Yeah.
Kevin J: Okay good. And any update on?
JC EPHRAIM: You know.
Kevin J: Any updates on Colleen?
JC EPHRAIM: Yeah, we care about to get here. Yes, I’m update.
Kevin J: Okay.
JC EPHRAIM: Was David. We can get started. David show up. Wasn’t Zala? Where are they?
JC EPHRAIM: See if I can find that Jayla. What is she doing?
JC EPHRAIM: I know, she ain’t drinking and drugging. So where she Hey, what are you doing? Little one.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay.
JC EPHRAIM: Where’s David? He texted me this morning and I know he’s available.
JC EPHRAIM: To have something on his mind.
JC EPHRAIM: Yeah. Should we wait on you? Just go ahead and get started.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay, all right. All right. He’s tied up. Okay. We are here. How’s everybody doing so far so good? Is that so far so good?
JC EPHRAIM: Hello. Out there in the wilderness.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: I’m good.
JC EPHRAIM: Good, good.
Kevin J: Yeah, I’m well.
JC EPHRAIM: David, I mean, Kevin, how you doing?
JC EPHRAIM: Done there. Was he just Done.
JC EPHRAIM: He’s down clock in nizala. See if he’s on if he’s not on. Okay.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Look, I got a check. I can check.
JC EPHRAIM: Excuse me. Besides they have an orange this morning. Or one of them little bitty cuties as they call it. All right. so,
JC EPHRAIM: Well, it’s a lot going on and just want to make sure folks are here that need to be here. Azalea was save her report to closer to when everybody’s here in Nana’s.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yeah, he’s clocked in. Yes.
JC EPHRAIM: He’s clocked in. So that we can’t hear you your clocked in. What’s up?
JC EPHRAIM: Don, can you hear us?
JC EPHRAIM: Maybe he needs to clock. Maybe he needs to log out and then log back in. How come this thing? Don’t let you log somebody out? Kevin When they’re not there you see that icon but you know they’re not there. Becoming doesn’t do that Kevin, you know that answer.
Kevin J: Um, well they haven’t logged in per se, they’re just they’re participating. I mean you can put them on mute.
JC EPHRAIM: No. But why can’t I log them out? It’s not meeting, they’re not there. Why? This software doesn’t let you log people out and they can log back in.
Kevin J: and I’m not looking at the administrator side of this, so I’m not Sure,…
JC EPHRAIM: You don’t know you don’t okay?
Kevin J: what products are?
JC EPHRAIM: You got it. I’ll check that another day because I noticed sometimes when we’re not bigger meetings,…
Kevin J: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: so be on and I’ll ask the question and they don’t answer like even to their name.
Kevin J: Yep.
JC EPHRAIM: I like the ability to just clock them out because, you know, they, if they’re earning money, I remember me. I think about the budget, not from our side,…
Kevin J: Yep.
JC EPHRAIM: but I think about for auditor’s side people, don’t we’re recording these meetings and so they’ll hear me asking, Hey, are you there? Are you there? Are you there are you there? And they know we’re paying people that could get to be an issue. It’s always a little things. You got to watch out for particularly, if you got record of it, he said Well what happened? Why we paying this, you know, that is not like in your case you don’t charge call man,…
Kevin J: Their engine. Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: dog, and dog out. They say Well, there’s no dollars going out to Kevin. So other folks are clocked in for these meetings and…
Kevin J: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: I noticed that we’re getting like 17 folks will be clocked in the meeting. Call out somebody I want to be able to get them out of the budget. Or maybe my solution is simply as long as nizala’s there, I can just tell her the clock come out.
Kevin J: Well, yeah, because I was, I was gonna ask you talking about, getting them out of the meeting or, or clocking them at a T-shirts,…
JC EPHRAIM: I got a I gotta make sure that the money matches.
Kevin J: which are two different things.
JC EPHRAIM: See I think I can think like a auditor. This is I’m glad this and evidence meaning he’s been on my mind for a while this in evidence meeting and so separate it. Apart from that I noticed in our bigger meetings, I’ll call out to people and they’re just not there. They’re not there.
Kevin J: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: I don’t know what they’re doing. I don’t know the reasons why I just know if I was auditing and I got the tape, I got the recording, I got the transcript, I got the bill and I’m seeing that that person’s being paid. But they’re not participating. They didn’t get caught. How do you know they were even there? Did they just clock in? Like the shade this big issue for me? Now, with the Shay, I have called out to niche, at least two or three different meetings, and she’s clocked in
JC EPHRAIM: But she isn’t there. Okay, that’s my story. If it happens meeting after meeting after meeting after meeting so, you’re not there. So what is that about? Are you doing something else? You just trying to show up and you’re not really showing up. That’s neither here, nor there I’m auditing. If I’m auditing the record need to match up across the board. I found that. That’s what they do. So it’s a record. Don’t match. Now the agency is looking like we either fiscally responsible or auditing a books or…
Kevin J: Yep.
JC EPHRAIM: people are robbing us and we’re not and not robbing us Robin near because it’s a reimbursement thing. But they’re reimbursing us based on our representation that we are, in fact participating in stuff, I noticed it healthier here is getting bigger and bigger about participation, so it may be a better deal.
JC EPHRAIM: If I come up with a solution and I think I just hit on that this evidence meeting. We just got it and that is Nizala’s present. You have the ability, right? Nizala to clock out, anybody I say, Okay, she’s adding clock them out.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Gravity. Yeah, I can talk about anybody.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay, so I’ll make that announcement at our next big meeting. I’ll tell them Look I got to make sure these records match up. So, if I call out to you and you don’t answer Nizala’s gonna clock you out, Okay? Okay. I mean, you know, if it’s, if I’d call out you going off the clock because if you’re in the meeting, you need to be in the meeting. Because when they audit us, I don’t want no BS around these details, I wanted to direct because we recording these meetings. It isn’t like
JC EPHRAIM: We’re not recording the meeting. Okay, so recording to meetings like David he says, I’ll be there in 10 minutes. That works out perfectly. Why? Because they can see When he showed up, he clocked in when he showed up. But if he supposed to be here, he clocked here. Say David a clocked in 10 minutes ago but he’s unavailable ten minutes going. I’m trying to talk to him. I’m David. I’m just using it as an example of something that I need to correct in our big meeting.
JC EPHRAIM: Is we need to make sure that the back end matches the front end and isela. Can you say? Well, even if you can’t use this software to clock somebody out of your meeting, you can use the software nizala software. She said, I just clock them off the payroll. I can just log them out and then they can log back in when they can participate because that that deal is you can log back in when you can participate don’t represent and not represent, Okay? You got to be for real. All right and we don’t call out people very often but I know this wouldn’t share is becoming pretty chronic here where I’ll say nasheed this in another she just ain’t there and I don’t know what that means. Okay, so I’m gonna treat everybody the same in that respect respect.
JC EPHRAIM: So we just continue on right now, okay? All right. Because this, what’s her name? Janelle in part. I’m thinking of Janelle when she can’t talk, but she’s logged in. She sends me a chat to let me know. I’m in the meeting. I’m in listening mode, but I’m, you know, multitasking, and I’m hearing what’s going on and then I’ll get little chats from her here and there show evidence that she is. So I’m comfortable with what she’s doing when she can’t speak because she’s a supervisor down in her shop now. Okay. But when I’m doing that other stuff and folks are just not answering and we’re asking questions, I’m gonna have to say the clock come out. Yeah. And they can just log back and then it don’t matter. Okay. They don’t get paid. All right. Not on our payroll, it’s a good thing to be able to say that you we got that kind of integrity in our books. Okay, here we go. Um,
JC EPHRAIM: where do we start? Tomorrow is the third. What does that translate into?
JC EPHRAIM: if my math is right, what that means is we are Tomorrow.
JC EPHRAIM: Oh, the good news. Good news, Nizala. Did you hear the good news David and Michelle is no longer homeless? She is the last of the 11. That means the very last last. Everybody else’s house, everything is straight, but her stuff was more complicated. You say, Why was it more complicated? It was more complicated because she wanted to remain where she was versus move where the voucher is. Voucher was in another city city of Renton, but she wanted to remain in
JC EPHRAIM: She wants to remain in. In the apartment, we placed her in to mitigate infection for Covid. She wants to stay there and that’s in Kent. So they accommodated us and I really appreciative that they did. They accommodated us and we said we’re band together to do something good. Meaning, the apartment manager assistant myself, The Housing Authority, King County Housing Authority, the Rent Housing, Authority, all of us working together, doing our various pieces, resulting in came together, such that yesterday. She signed her lease. to actually, as starting now she is a, she is truly the tenant where she’s been
JC EPHRAIM: A place by us when she was homeless and she’s been homeless since October of 2021. So this is a big deal for us to stabilize her that way. And this is she now has on our watch. Since 2000 Jesus. We’ve been working with Anna. Michelle. Since 16. We got her friend, a study stream, a financial stability. She got her Social Security disability. Now, She has her Medicare now she’s 65 but we got it before. She was 65. We got her Medicare early. That’s medical insurance. She also has her. She has food stampability. We got her a food stamp, you know, they called me Snap. But yeah, she got food, supplemental. Supplemental nutrition.
JC EPHRAIM: Assistance. So we got that, got that for. So she has that to the end of days. And now she has her housing as long as she lives. So unless she messed it up. So the beauty of it is the four basic needs under her social determinants of health, or access to health care and all those other good things. And now in place, and It doesn’t matter what happens to sisters in common and that’s how I consider something done. Done it don’t matter where the sisters income and lives or dies or goes away. She’ll always have that until the end of days. And to me that is stability.
JC EPHRAIM: So, she worked with us, she’s a member of our team. She did her part. She fell ill and we were able to do this for her, and I’m very happy that yesterday was the the day that we signed the lease. And it was a long journey. It’s five years, by the way, this is a five-year journey.
JC EPHRAIM: Mainly, because she could have got this done and we could have got it done in six months in 18. But she thought that she wanted. She thought she had commitment from her family that looked different than at the end of days and it just wasn’t there. And so, it took her five years to really figure out that she needed to go ahead and put together her social determinants of hell to address. Her health related, social needs in such a way that she controlled her resources and it was directly related to her on interfered with with how she felt about family and all that stuff. So now she got it and she is very pleased and she went to church this morning. She said to tell them that she’s no longer homeless. I thought that was a good thing.
JC EPHRAIM: All right, so I want to get that out. Done at David. I want to turn it over to you. You reached out to me before the meeting. You had something on your mind about chat. Gpt, go ahead. You got it. Yeah, we can hear you perfectly.
David Elfalan: Can you hear me?
David Elfalan: Okay, and that would just testing out my, my check here I have. Conferencing thing that I got my phone hooked up. Alright. so, Yeah. I’ve been thinking.
David Elfalan: I’ve been actually doing some experiments with Chad’s Ept as well as you know, thinking about a conversation. I have Kevin a few weeks ago. um where he was saying that he looking for resources that connected to Jet Dpt so we could scale pretty quickly I’ve been doing a little, Research around formidable, You know, formidable is the technology that we’ve used to create everything from the alerts? To. to the to the social determinants of health screenings to, to the Questionnaires and in the login and people, you know, that that’s available for people who are in the
David Elfalan: Sir, what is it? Surviving long covid sessions and all that stuff. So I’ve been using it very robustly on the site and just to give you a little background, I decided to use formidable a long time ago. I’ve been using it for about 12 years now. At least or maybe a little less, maybe about 10 years. But the reasoning behind that was I used to write all these PHP with PHP is like a scripting language that Connects the forms and databases and I used to write that. Um, and it would take me back. Oh, good application together. Like let’s say that was building the alert system from scratch, that used to take me more like
David Elfalan: 40 to 60 hours to put something like that together. Well, when formidable came along that allowed me to do it within three to four hours,…
JC EPHRAIM: Good.
David Elfalan: maybe five hours. And then, you know, do the thing. So that was an increase in productivity. Now, we got Ted DBT. now, I had started to look at a way to Create PHP integrations as a function with inside of formidable, but then I came across all these other little companies that are starting what they call them like zapier and these other. What they call in. Tegration and Integrations. Allow you to connect one technology with another. So that’s a few of them. I need to look a little deeper, but I was thinking, in terms of,
David Elfalan: We could if we could quickly connect formidable in our data system the way it exists. Now, directly to Chad Gpt really quickly, you know, that my Give us a chance to do. Some more innovative. For example, I was testing with Chad Gpt knew about the social determinants of health.
David Elfalan: you could use, it’s knowledge of social, determinants of health to analyze, You know, all the data we collected so far and all our clients for example, to give us either insights and, and possibly lay out things we could do along the social determinants of health to To empower, our clients, things like that. We could do.
David Elfalan: We could we could take a question in errors. Polls things like that. That could that could then be analyzed by a Chad GPT real quickly in the site.
JC EPHRAIM: Person.
JC EPHRAIM: Wait.
David Elfalan: Just like that or…
David Elfalan: use it, like we’ve been planning to use it.
David Elfalan: Somebody saying something.
JC EPHRAIM: You go. We’re home.
David Elfalan: oh, but anyway,…
JC EPHRAIM: That is.
JC EPHRAIM: Whatever. For something.
David Elfalan: that was the the fact that I was I was having.
JC EPHRAIM: I have to do.
David Elfalan: Yeah. Anyway, And I got what statements.
Donald Ephraim: Yeah, I have questions. Well, first of all. Hello everybody. I have questions, but I don’t know what to ask because I’m not, you know, I’m just amazed that how you all able to do what you do. So but I, what I think you just said,…
David Elfalan: but,
Donald Ephraim: is that you can use the software These two software is together.
Donald Ephraim: By what one is analyzing the other or you’re feeding information into it from the other?
David Elfalan: Both it’s hard to explain…
JC EPHRAIM: More.
David Elfalan: but it’s it’s almost like for I gave an example. Let’s say you have a Surviving covid, right?
JC EPHRAIM: It looks inside.
David Elfalan: Yes, you asked them guys and your group. um, For example.
JC EPHRAIM: Street. No. But if
David Elfalan: you ask them like What do you guys feel like you know,…
JC EPHRAIM: Okay. Front stop you.
David Elfalan: you What?
JC EPHRAIM: I thought the front door things, okay.
David Elfalan: Okay. um, so you ask people in your group, you know, because JC’s always saying stuff like You want to do stuff with people on that two people. So maybe we might set up some kind of questionnaire about what kind of resources your group. You know, needs that they might need the most, okay? And that might be, we might do that with Janelle’s group and went through that with your group. Then last Chance GPT to say, okay, analyze what everybody has said and You know, right up a plan for a on the social determinants of health or whatever. one instance, it’ll spit out something saying Boilerplate plants. And you guys need to do A B C. D E F G.
David Elfalan: You kind of get what I’m saying.
Donald Ephraim: Yes, so that means these the meeting have to be reported, right? Is that?
David Elfalan: Um, I’m saying you either transcribe the meeting and do it from analyze the transcription.
Donald Ephraim: Okay.
David Elfalan: Over or you could have a questionnaire. built inside a formidable and have people answer the questions right out, you know, give them some place to write out with their what they think their needs are This could be an anonymous poll. You know, so you won’t have to transcribe, you could do it either way, is what I’m saying.
Donald Ephraim: Okay.
David Elfalan: And we could connect that we could take the kid. You know, we set up something informatible where we could drop the transcription. Or you could do both and all and then pull all the all the information from the questions and say, Okay? Bullet point every all the main things that people said bullet point everything that we had in this meeting conversation.
David Elfalan: And then now let’s analyze that. And and you ask Chad and BT to give me a way to proceed on how to solve the use of this group.
David Elfalan: Yeah. So, the reason why I brought this up is because, you know, to develop something that would connect with. formidable and PHP could take some development time, but I was telling JC that, you know, a lot of the integrations, all the stuff that’s pre-built would probably cost us something like $50 a year and then we could set up how much we would want to spend on the open AI.
David Elfalan: API or the Application Programming interface. We could, we could set it, so it wouldn’t spend so much per month. So if we had multiple people in the organization using it, we could put a cap on how much we would spend, but the cost of of tokens for
David Elfalan: The amount of, you know, depending on how we set up the output is is pretty much negligible over a long period of time, you know, if you do it correctly. Um, Meaning that I think it was. I can’t I can’t quote it exactly, but I think it was like 700 words was like point zero zeros, three cents. Depending on depending on How much? you know, depending on what model you were using, you know, some models are cheaper and some more expensive but I don’t want to get into the technical aspects of that right now. Just just, let’s say it per say that. With a hundred and fifty dollars, hundred forty, nine dollars, something like that, $200 subscription a year.
David Elfalan: Is a lot cheaper than trying to have me. Develop something for $50 an hour.
David Elfalan: Um, And it would also. So we could then focus on all the good stuff we could, do, you know, use that time to, to build things. More rapidly. Um, surprised it to say, we could probably have a good conversation about things that we need or we think we need, and we could have a conversation about that in this group, for example, transcribe it, throw it in Chad GP and then say, Give me some this for some applications we could use to empower our community. And it would give us some suggestions.
David Elfalan: Anybody else?
David Elfalan: Just a thought.
David Elfalan: JC, are you there still?
JC EPHRAIM: Yeah, I’m here. I said I was saying here. What’s the cost? What do you need to do? What do you need me to do? What do you need? To move this thing.
David Elfalan: well, first, I want to If there’s a couple of different, you know, I like to talk with Kevin and see what he thinks. You know, there’s a couple of different integrations and I want to do some more research to see what each of them do for the costs.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay.
David Elfalan: What you’re getting. I just it was just a thought I had because I was looking into it. And I was like, Okay so if we’re gonna go down this road, we need to figure out which one of the technologies are gonna work best for us. Um,
David Elfalan: I did send you that thing I ran, you know, I took that chunk of all the, for example, I took that that it took the information from the CDC’s website about long covid and…
JC EPHRAIM: Right.
David Elfalan: I ran it in the chat GPT and I sent you that thing that that spit back up basically a questionnaire. What you think of that?
JC EPHRAIM: So why don’t you put it on the screen? You got it. You put it up.
David Elfalan: No, I’m on my phone but I think so.
JC EPHRAIM: oh,
JC EPHRAIM: okay.
David Elfalan: Yeah, hold on here. A little more trickier. Kevin’s got a question.
JC EPHRAIM: Go ahead.
Kevin J: Yeah. And so while we’re on this topic, one of the things that we need to do is to, I don’t know, it’s by conversation or writing or recording but Find out all the tasks that nizala does so that we can look at implementing them by July. or in the June, So I don’t know you how much time has been allocated to do that, but the sooner we do that, you know, this sooner David and I can get started.
David Elfalan: Okay, okay.
David Elfalan: So, what did you think of my thought? Kevin. I’m interested in your feedback.
Kevin J: um, integration is going to be Where everything is significant happens. So, for example, there’s recently an integration of chat GPT with a system called Mathematica or Wolfram Alpha that for lack of a better term can do Math, Chat GPT, Can’t really do math because what’s doing is predicting the next word. But if it gets a question that looks like a mathematical problem,
David Elfalan: What?
Kevin J: Which can then get you the answer, and then present it back in a way that chat GP understands to present it in a way that is understandable to the user. So any specialized technology that chat EPT? Can’t do can be integrated into Chat GPT to extend, its capabilities. and so,…
JC EPHRAIM: Enter.
Kevin J: For a lack of a better term, chat GPT I think will become a platform. Where people almost like with plugins will add in other capabilities that chat…
JC EPHRAIM: Hey, we just be available when it’s over. Okay.
Kevin J: if you can leverage that it can’t do by itself.
David Elfalan: Makes sense.
Kevin J: I just saw. A system that can go from a text prompt to two to three minutes of music.
JC EPHRAIM: Last.
Kevin J: Um, and the music that came out was very credible. Like you said, Hey, I want a happy tune, that would play when somebody’s walking through some daisies in a field and I wanted to be in the classical style lights and phonic and it’ll produce an audio file of say two to three minutes. That you know it’s not what the best composer could do. But if all you wanted to do was to have some decent enough music to be the background music for video, you’d be done.
David Elfalan: Hmm. that’s,
Kevin J: And there’s also text to video happening. so, you know, for a short videos but those will get longer
David Elfalan: Also saw some demonstrations where you could. Connect a whisper right from your desktop.
Kevin J: Yep.
David Elfalan: Yep.
Kevin J: Whisper for everybody’s speech to text.
Kevin J: So basically anybody can have transcription at any time if they want?
Donald Ephraim: It’s amazing.
David Elfalan: It was also showing JC the other day. That how you could go to your right now. I think Microsoft said text of audio file of any link. Can be transcribed into Word to the Office 365 online version.
David Elfalan: We’ve tested that a couple times, so, you know, we also got Office 365. And it’s just a matter of just selecting the audio file. And it’ll put it in the word transcript. either with with or without speaker notations.
David Elfalan: so, Like everything else. It opens up a huge world of possibilities.
JC EPHRAIM: Well, I got a target date in my head that my report is due on the 15th of March. I mean, April, I wanted supported by, I want to be able to use AI song, I work closely with you guys to where AI can be of assistance to me, get that report done. I want to see if I can Bring that in by no later than the 10th. We get it done. Want us to put in the work, get it done. I want to do my report a lot of it. Bringing in to audio that we have some of the scripts editing integration. To take all a lot of stuff in the innovations, the innovation report, and answer those questions as those innovation questions from the data that we’ve collected over time. Go ahead, Kevin.
Kevin J: Yeah. So there was a service that we use for your previous report they’ve gone dark. I don’t know if they’re at a business but a few others have sprung up. So what I’ll do is air tomorrow, I’ll
JC EPHRAIM: No, that’s it. I said badly. Let me correct. I want to use this AI to the AI to David’s been using, figure out how to use that. And to use our. What’s that other thing? We use David told you about the The 360 five. and use that on the information that we have already generated over this time period and…
Kevin J: Mmm.
JC EPHRAIM: see if we can make that Those softwares useful. I want to see what those systems will do to what. Data and information, we’ve already generated. That’s what I was trying to say. Finally,
Kevin J: Well and I was trying to say the same things. So the the service we use before is when I uploaded all the documents from the last three years and you were able to ask questions.
Kevin J: About 80%.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay. I’m not saying what I’m saying. Well, I want to you.
Kevin J: No. No,…
Kevin J: I got that. What I’m asking you Oh,…
JC EPHRAIM: I wouldn’t use that.
JC EPHRAIM: Now I just want to use these.
Kevin J: okay. All right.
JC EPHRAIM: Yeah I’m saying I want to use with David. We got, we bought. As subscribe to chat tpt. That’s what we bought and subscribe. Who office 365. Let’s work to use those systems and see what they can do. It’s an experiment so to speak. Let’s see if they can be useful and help do my report. That is due on the 15th. I want to take those softwares. And see if they can be helpful to me. Go ahead. Kevin
Kevin J: Yeah, but what I’ll add is those tools. Don’t do what that previous tool did meaning upload content that you’ve written and asked questions about it. So, I was trying to find a replacement to do that function.
JC EPHRAIM: But David, did I sent David something this morning? And he said, he put it in Jack Gpt and he generated something. Because what you think?
David Elfalan: Here. Well,…
Kevin J: I, I don’t know it’s like I can’t say whether it does the same thing or not.
David Elfalan: Ending. In. The problem is, is that I don’t know what the paid version does, but you can ask tattoo BT to do sections, but if you get too much content in one prompt, it’ll just say that the prompt is too too large or something.
Kevin J: And that’s what? And that’s what this software avoids. So you can upload hundreds of pages of PDFs and it’ll index it so that you don’t have to put the content in the prompt and you can still ask questions about stuff that you wrote were as JC. What David is saying is you might only be able to put in three paragraphs of a report and that’s all you can ask questions about.
David Elfalan: well, one of the things I started doing was breaking the content down by asking it to Bullet. um, you know, to take the most important point out of that content and bulleted. and then, Combining some of those things together. To to ask questions. You know, just break it down to content. But if you found something that can take a whole bunch of stuff and figure out how to how to TAKE OUT the UNRELATED, STUFF or the REPEATING THINGS Because one of the things I noticed about Chad DBT is if you if you have constant things saying the same thing over and over and over again, it it It kind of pollute the prompt a little bit. It works best when
David Elfalan: When you have more direct information to input. Into it. um, Hopefully,…
JC EPHRAIM: if okay, I think you’re telling the stuff we really,…
David Elfalan: I’m saying.
JC EPHRAIM: I’m gonna be honest with you too, you’re telling me stuff and I keep telling you guys, Those of us who are looking at the outcome. We don’t really care how you figure it out, on the back end except by virtue of a couple of things. One The thing that Kevin just brought to me, is the reason why I say, I want to use, see what chat GPT can do. I want to see what office 360 five can do? in terms of helping and
assist because Kevin just pointed out well, The one we use before then they’ve gone dark. I don’t need that. See, that’s the part that gets overlooked. I know chat GPT is going to be there.
JC EPHRAIM: More probable than not. I know 365 is going to be there, so therefore, let’s take what we know. We can avoid the probability of the high, probability of them, having some innovation or whatever. I don’t want to even play with that. I want to see what what we already have on board, can do I want to see if it doesn’t? It doesn’t then we brought. But let’s see what we already have in you to get me from, I am to where I want to go. That’s what the goal is,…
David Elfalan: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: in this case because I can write it without either. One of those, you got it. That’s the beauty of it. I can write this report without any AI assistance period and be on time
JC EPHRAIM: So this is an experiment to see what we already. Well, we’re going to use chat and we’re going to use 360 Because we’ve been using 365 every since they launched it. We used before 365, we use the word sweet. We’ve used it for decades. So let’s see what they can do to help. Put something together, figure out. Say Okay these are tools. I got I got to build an airplane but these are the only tools I got I tell you I get this idea from just in case you want to hear the background. I’ve been watching as of late. These chef challenges on TV and he’s cooking shows and they give them this This is what we giving you and I want you to create for me the following and again a list of stuff to create and those chefs. Better and worse.
JC EPHRAIM: Based only on what they’re giving create something that the people are looking to be created. Great for me, but a sweet, or this, or that, or an entree, or apple blazer. I want to see if we can do that here. With what we already have. So these are the tools that you have. If it comes in the course of it, you discovered that you know what there’s other reliable piece if I can add it. Like David, what do you call those things add-ons you don’t call them add-ons, you call them something. When you ask me Can I can we buy this piece to add to this piece? I want to go there because I’m looking at the long haul,…
David Elfalan: That’s a.
JC EPHRAIM: not the short. What do you call it?
David Elfalan: Well, Zapier and things like that are called integrations, where you integrate technology?
JC EPHRAIM: Integrations. Yeah, another word plugins or something. Then maybe a plug-in you need. You’re calling plugin.
David Elfalan: Into.
JC EPHRAIM: That’s what you told me so JC. Can we buy this particular plug-in? It’ll it’ll take us. I got it all the way here, but if I use this plug-in or take me all the way to Fine. Because we want to build something in our innovation, we have budget in our innovation. But we have to be, I think look at the big picture and a small picture and I’m glad we use the thing that Kevin found he found something. It was useful, it was 80% there but now they’re dark. Don’t want that experience that.
Kevin J: It tasty.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay, that’s the disadvantage of using that kind of stuff.
Kevin J: Here’s my direct question. For the service that went dark. Do you need or want that kind of capability for this next report?
JC EPHRAIM: Don’t know. I want Debbie tell you, I’m changing what I want. What I want to do is see if the what we have Can get me something in this reporting that saves me time. And covers. Well what already already has been done by saving me time but has things there that I can just edit down? I can say Oh In a few minutes it brought together this Is what you’ve been doing for the last six months year or whatever. Since you guys begin, I don’t know what it’s gonna look like. It’s gonna look at answer the questions. But here are the questions they’re going to ask me which I would send to you guys. These are the questions. They have to ask their specific questions that they’d ask me and each report. That’s what the reports already have specific questions among the body of work that we’ve done.
JC EPHRAIM: he smell whole otherwise, Taking that body of work figuring if we can dice in slice, it see if the tools that we have here, the only Tuesday, I’m gonna give you, I’m giving you chat. Any enhancement on chat and I’m giving you 365 And I say Make me this omelette. And off,…
Kevin J: Yeah, and And JC.
JC EPHRAIM: you know, it tastes like this. Look like this like that and see what you can do it. That’s
Kevin J: And what I’ve been trying to say and apparently not communicating clearly is that chat GPT and office 365? Don’t do that but they’re
JC EPHRAIM: I I’m not focused on that. They’re not allowed to do that. You need to go watch the cooking show. They’re not allowed to say. They can say whatever they want to say. They don’t say Well I can’t make that these are challenges.
David Elfalan: Okay.
JC EPHRAIM: They say I can’t make that because it It doesn’t do that. What they say is, I wonder cannot figure out what I need to add to make it do that or something.
Kevin J: There and and JC. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. I found other services that do that thing that use the same. Underlying technology is Chat GPT. I I I’m I I guess I’m just not understanding how I’m not getting the point across. That there’s something that you benefited from doing your last report and I want to find an equivalent way for you do that same thing for this report and I’m asking, Do you want to do that thing or not?
Kevin J: Meaning you want to be able to just throw all the content you’ve ever written. Ask the questions and get 80% of the work done.
JC EPHRAIM: you hear what you say but when you’re right, we’re not communicating at the tail, I have this thing called tells on wag the dog and therefore, it means this I want to see. In reference to what I want. What can be done? You’re saying it. Don’t do it. I get it. I want to see if it could be figured out. if I need to change my question because here, I mean seeing the questions Okay, we haven’t looked at the questions so to tell me it, don’t do it before. We see the questions, doesn’t it? I don’t know the questions. I got David did something for me today. That he said, JC, I took this and put in chat tpt and he gave your response. I said Oh okay and it had to do with the CDC. I wasn’t asking him to do it but he’s just wanted to see what would happen. Am I making that up? David
David Elfalan: No.
Kevin J: Go and…
JC EPHRAIM: Right.
Kevin J: David. Let me ask an important question. Did you put the information directly into the prompt?
JC EPHRAIM: No, no. Kevin Kevin that takes us off course, that isn’t what I’m after. No, don’t take us off course. The course is it’s a total innovation. That’s not the important piece. How it got done. Is not the question here, that’s not what’s on board.
Kevin J: But JC it is important…
JC EPHRAIM: This is not a meeting on…
Kevin J: because they’re limitations that.
JC EPHRAIM: how I don’t know…
JC EPHRAIM: what the limitations are yet. I got it…
Kevin J: Change. But I do,…
Kevin J: that’s why I’m trying to prepare the,…
JC EPHRAIM: but Kevin’s Kevin Heaven.
Kevin J: what you need.
JC EPHRAIM: That’s what the chef would say that steps out of the game. I want to know Take this take that. See if it answers, my question. Nobody even know what the question is. Haven’t even asked the question, so it was the question.
Kevin J: No Jake. I’m
JC EPHRAIM: I’ll give it a question.
David Elfalan: Right.
JC EPHRAIM: And I’ll say, Now, tell me what this thing can do with these questions that I’m asking. That’s what I’m asking. I know I’m thinking it’s like, I’m gonna ask questions that we don’t even have in the room. Nobody in this meeting even heard.
JC EPHRAIM: And we’re saying It can’t answer those questions. How do we know it? Can’t answer those questions? We don’t know what the question is chat. Gbt I was told is supposed I paid money for it to
answer questions. So, I’m going to ask it some question. And I must say Can it answer these questions and we’re saying No they can’t answer question, I don’t get it.
Kevin J: You JC. I’m gonna step back and a lesson until you ask me to do something specific. I’m just gonna chill because I’m I’m trying to help and apparently my help is not warranted or needed so I just got to stand back.
JC EPHRAIM: I don’t,…
Kevin J: Communicating what?
JC EPHRAIM: I don’t, I don’t know that. All I know is we’re we’re into the weeds of it, the details and we don’t need to be there at this level right now where we need to be right now. I said, Look guys.
JC EPHRAIM: There’s two things, we own Mr. Pretend we own this. We own that I’m giving these two tools. Then I’m gonna come in with us where to say, I wanted to see if those who can answer this question for me. You can tell me if it can or can’t once you’ve got the question and the tool and say, Okay, can it answer this question If chat GPT can’t answer any questions? What the hell am I doing? Having pain for it? That’s my point. I shouldn’t have paid for it But David said And you said it answers questions, I plan to ask the question So that’s where I’m at right there. Say Hey this what it should be able to do answer questions for me and if the question is that, if I’m satisfied with it, we’re good, if I’m not satisfied with it, we’re good. Go ahead.
Kevin J: I’m going to try this one more time, Chat GPT can answer questions about content that it knows about collected over the years, it’s got nothing to do with sisters in common, it can answer questions about a little bit of information about what you put in the prompt. It cannot answer questions by itself of hundreds of pages of content that you’ve written over the years. What’s that other tool, which uses the same underlying technology can do. That’s it.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay, got it. I accept that as a fact as a statement effect, but that has nothing to do with what I’m talking about right now. It really doesn’t. I plan to ask it a question. It ain’t my question. It is healthier. Here’s question. Got it, It may well be that 80% of my answers for the last three years may actually already be in this data set. You follow me. We don’t know that…
Kevin J: No, you
JC EPHRAIM: until we ask the question. We don’t know it. It has the question. See if you say the only thing that I’m ready to hear now can chat GPT answer. Any question, any question. And if the answer is, yes, we’re good. Give it a shot. Let’s give it a shot.
JC EPHRAIM: You say Can’t JC you chat. Tbt can’t take your reports that you’ve done in the past and those reports. Hey, just that specific body outside of its data set and answer questions based on your data set, right? Got it.
Kevin J: Correct. Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: I understood that. But who’s to say that my answer that it gives me is not going to be 80% of what I’ve been writing about for three years? You see,…
Kevin J: Okay.
JC EPHRAIM: that’s what I’m saying. So let’s dance and the value that I’m getting that’s being missed here, is we use Office 365 and plan to continue. We just got into chat GPT may be continuing. I’m not continuing, but it’s definitely. The Pandora is out of the box.
JC EPHRAIM: So David’s been fooling with it. Let’s see what it can do. It may not be able to do nothing. Do now know not to repeat paying for it. We are not interested in it. You can’t help us based on where we go. But David just pointed out how he introduced me to something that 365 is already able to do. I was shot. when he said, Oh, 365. Now I don’t know if it always have had this capability David or not. I don’t I don’t really care but we were able to take an audio track of something I was interested in that I pulled in. In fact it was something we all said, in this meeting like this meeting right here, David to content from this meeting, put it into office, not office 365, to put it into 365. Yeah, it is office, 365. It turned it into a written transcript.
JC EPHRAIM: And gave me a choice. You want to know, who said, what, or you just wanted the whole thing, just print it out without him said, what? That was phenomenal to me. Okay. And that has value. So since it can do those several things, let’s give it a shot. That’s all I’m saying. I’m so I’m saying, are we cleared? It’s all I’m trying to get it. Let’s see what he can do.
JC EPHRAIM: And I was trying to give you guys a little bit of background on. Where’s this coming from? I’ve been watching this cooking show thing, and I’ve watched this guy, he walks up and he throws some crap on the table. All these different ingredients. Boom, boom. Now, tell you what, make me a dessert that he uses all these ingredients, and or tools. You got to use them all in some way, in the dish, if you’re gonna make and it need to be a dish that can do it. And have a panel of judges and these judges a world class folks and they’ll tell you It’s a little too. Chris is on the hook. This is phenomenal. I never thought somebody can use that and do this. I watch that phenomenon. I said That is a phenomenal thing to do. So, that’s all I’m saying. That’s my background for trying to throw this out there. This way may not work. but I’m willing to
JC EPHRAIM: Take you understand? You don’t want to use your time in that context, on that kind of just call it experiment a while fly, but that’s David’s gift. David takes nothing and creates something. I’ve always said that one of the phenomenals of David are following was I call them a genius? Is he can take air And turn it into something. If I can articulate it where translate that’s been one of the two things, he and I’ve been able to do for 30 years, if I can’t say it. Well, when he gets it, he don’t come back with anything, but if I say it in a certain way, and he comes back in the room and says this, what you looking for and I just go, Oh, That’s exactly what I’m looking for and it can do something. That’s what we’re trying to get at. I’m not saying I’m doing it perfectly…
David Elfalan: but,
JC EPHRAIM: but I do know we had a 30 year history of pulling this crap. All, so let’s keep at it.
JC EPHRAIM: Is that clear David? What I’m after.
David Elfalan: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay. Let’s give it a shot and we’ll pay for it, you know?
JC EPHRAIM: All right. Any any other thing anybody want to say on this? Because I’m thinking,…
Kevin J: Yeah, related to this.
JC EPHRAIM: we don’t this horse. Okay? Going. Kevin
Kevin J: How are we going to schedule time? With nizala or nizala on her own to start documenting what she does. So we can look at automating it because June 30th will be around here around in a heartbeat.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay. Nizala are you here?
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yes, I’m here.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay. On the board. You know that all that stuff, you wrote on the board that needs to be done in terms of audit.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yes. Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay. All right. That did you write that from just wrote it on the board? That’s the only place that exists. Or did you have that written on a piece of paper?
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: No, it’s not. It’s in the email.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay good. I want to send that to him because that encompasses the majority of the things that we’re looking that need to be. Okay. Let me tell you where we’re at. We’re after. We’re setting a pretend date of nizala being gone. June 30th, her agency ends it cease to exist.
JC EPHRAIM: Within a month after that, she has to wrap it up with a wrap up report. So let’s just say she’s gone by July 31st. I need. In without heart. And innovation, I need the things that nizala does to be supported by artificial intelligence. Not a heart. Not a hit. I can’t get that. She’s the only person can give me that, meaning her, innovation, creativity, and so forth. But I need artificial intelligence to do that. That piece of the, I’ll call it grunt work. She’s listed that on the board. She said, No, I got it in a an email, what the capabilities. I need the capabilities in artificial intelligence to do that to be able to go in. To our systems or data or persons, and gather this information.
JC EPHRAIM: So that it is reportable to the powers that be it’s quantify. As well as that’s the one side on the other side. Is there a real-time? Innovation, that can be created that can do the the grunt stuff, the gritty stuff that she does back up the data. And all that. That’s kind of thing. The how that stuff get done. So, she can start writing. The she already did. That’s her job description. Remember, nizala you also created something when I said those people wanted to know Something like a profile on you. Remember that? Okay.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yes, but it’s like it’s very big like it needs to be updated as well. Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: I mean, more stuff on it. Well, they, they are not as part of where we can start, right? Okay,…
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yes, yes, I think that’s an email as well.
JC EPHRAIM: so we got the things on the floor, we got. We got the She said I did because she had to do this once where they wanted to quantify. Well how do you justify this money that you want to spend for
her? In this capacity? She wrote down what she does. Is I do this. I do this and she calls it, vague, It seem very in-depth to me, not in terms of the the nuances, but artificial intelligence for the overarching, the high story get that stuff put in play. So she send that to sisters as aayla. And I will look at it this week, we’ll take a look at it. We won’t necessarily enhance it this week, but it’ll be the starting point and then wait for you guys to come back with questions, about what it is more, you need. But the list of things is on the board.
JC EPHRAIM: The other list is things. She had to tell the county or something. They want to know something I can’t remember. Was that doing that audit that review? We had nizala, you had to create that. You were doing that.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: If you yeah, it was during that when they were trying to justify my hours. Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: So she had to create that, say, This is what I do and she wrote out a list of stuff and she said Well that’s got to be enhanced because she’s now a manager and all that stuff and she got other stuff she do. And you guys can say It may be a how-to issue, you may need more of or whatever, but let’s get that going next week in your hands. You and David, we put it in your hands and then you can start asking questions. That could be more targeted for her. Instead of her taking a shotgun, she can come laser at it and say, Oh, by the way, I also do this.
JC EPHRAIM: I also do that also to this because I’m thinking about it in terms of an end game. The in-game is, if nizala isn’t fair after the 31st of July, I need that technical AI to do that part of her job. Can’t give me the heart. Because I can’t trust. It’s a hard thing to say and it’s a hard thing to accept but I have no one. At my office that I would hand the keys to all of our stuff. The back to all of my stuff, the checkbooks, the charge to do that, I have no W-2 folks to give that to and I don’t I’ve been around long enough to know that is a Hail Mary and I’m not ready to at 70 years old trust.
JC EPHRAIM: That I can find somebody. Okay, that I could just go find me another nizala who I’ll trust with who could just call me up and say JC, I need the credit card number. Oh, I need the passwords. I need this. I need that. Just send me over. The can you send me over the, the QR code, whatever those unique things to protect the system and know that when we’re all sleep? That person isn’t? It, shall we say, benefiting themselves as sisters interests or screw it up and share it, or leave it in the wrong place to this day just as an example who nizala is She asked me to give her passwords for stuff that she could keep.
JC EPHRAIM: On her person or in some encrypted system. And each time she says, I need to go into the bank account number. She doesn’t leave it around, she knows her lifestyle, maybe a great lifestyle security, not hanging out with the world. She ain’t running the streets, but she won’t even keep written down. The passwords to the bank account. She’ll call me up and say, Oh, I need to bank account number again or I need our ADP again. I’m not gonna find that. in my system of people already and I know that’s gonna be hard to find out there because people Human beings are disgusting. And you give them access to a quarter of a million dollars that they can just rip through our accounts. Who knows what they’re gonna do. They can put on the best front, they can say. Oh, I’m the most trustworthy. You got to trust them Are more than trust is that. I respect her.
JC EPHRAIM: I respect her meaning. That’s more than trust. Trust is when you don’t know somebody. But this lady I know, And I have that value the other one she’s disabled. That was Anna, Michelle. Same thing, nizala, it was Anna, Michelle de Nizala who I know I can give stuff to and not worry about it. Being abused, and taking advantage of David and Kevin, you guys have created a world. of the ones and zeros where this computer can be given data that it can protect, it can be trusted to do certain functions or it all go. It all falls apart anyway. So within reason, if we can get that some kind going where, This one or two things are going to happen, we’re going to succeed and AI being able to take over the routine repetitive functions that she does.
JC EPHRAIM: And be a benefit to me because she’s not there or she’ll be there, and it will be a benefit to her job. She can use it in other words, it’s user friendly. If I can use it, she can use it. So that’s when I’m after. So, in direct answer there, Kevin’s question next week. The plan is for us to take what I see on a board. She said, No, that’s written down. I just wrote it on the board, but I already got it in an email. And then the other thing that we had to give the county in terms of its audit that she does send those things forward. And that’ll get the questions flowing from you guys. As to what it is, we need more of if that makes any sense that work.
JC EPHRAIM: Kevin David,…
David Elfalan: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: does that work? Okay, then we’ll win the park. Did that answer your question? Kevin next week for the beginning? It isn’t going to be the
Kevin J: Yeah, a list of tasks that we can ask questions about is perfectly fine.
JC EPHRAIM: Got it. Then we can start there. We can start there, okay. All right. Anything else on these issues?
JC EPHRAIM: That it okay. Let’s move into nizala, your report everybody’s here, now, so under Zeller report about her agency and her thoughts and views, and It’s, it’s something. so, go ahead and say
JC EPHRAIM: I don’t want to know that stuff. She was old.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: um, that’s, What I have for Update, as of now, I still need to go back. Look back update, all my spreadsheets, for all the new clients,
JC EPHRAIM: Yeah, but here’s a twist to what she’s saying added to. I have every reason to believe that the one that cussed her out is not,…
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Here, we’re always you.
JC EPHRAIM: I wish things really ended like end it But that’s probably not an ending. That’s the beginning of something bad. Because he was, he was agitated, he cussed me out.
JC EPHRAIM: I said, Prepare for the worst work for the best, but he cussed out and we’re not taking it back, they can do whatever they want,…
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: but that’s their guy. The other one who said, I don’t need any of that stuff. You never know what people are in their mood and emotions. She said There was some emotion there, It was like like Why would you sign up for it? If you don’t need it They didn’t ask about household assistance or something and say, Well I, you know, I signed up for the money. I didn’t. It was not like that was just What do a list, I’ll need any of that, You know, going through the list. So, she did the pretty much work, but they didn’t put in anything. They didn’t want not. She said I’ll need any of that food, you know? So she kind of game of cursory look. So I don’t think one of them. For sure, one of those two is gonna come back to try to bite us. It’s not our fault. It’s not our problem.
JC EPHRAIM: What concerns me is, what was going on in healthier, Here’s house, where they got caught with their draws down, like this in their own house. What went wrong nizala’s on top of our stuff, we know where we’re strong, we know where we’re weak, we put our system together to have backup. Even me having to come offline for my Friday and be able to do this because I knew she had a couple. But then they just flooded as flooded us with real-time stuff with knowing Nezela knowing and telling me JC, if we don’t get this in by four o’clock, these people I said, Oh, they’re gonna get it on Monday, she’s a whoa, whoa, they go. Look at it on Mondays. Nobody said it gonna do it on Monday and giving the drama that they bring us.
JC EPHRAIM: It just made sense that we were going to take our shot. We better take it now because Monday may be a different story. All together for all, we know on Monday, they may call and say we just continue to fresh food orders coming in starting today. So we did what we needed to do and got those things going. Nizala said, she’ll take a look sometime I go today or tomorrow whatever her schedule does and see if these folks even got their orders noticed, so whatever that happens on the back end, but we did get it in and we got encouragement from here.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Now I do know that because I did check that cuz I wanted to make sure they all are confirmed,…
JC EPHRAIM: Oh,
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: the ones that you put in. Yeah, I wanted to check on that. Yes.
JC EPHRAIM: Oh okay, okay okay, no it’s confirmed. They they’re gonna do it but that’s good. That’s good news to hear because I’m gonna be honest, I wasn’t quite sure. I just knew Kevin’s from her, shout out that they could see us putting in the record.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yes.
JC EPHRAIM: I didn’t know if that meant they were looking and they weren’t working, you got me. I didn’t say working on it. She just said We see it and I didn’t know what seeing it because given, I don’t know. It’s a house burning down over there. It just seems real strange.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: That, that it was coming from their house that these problems and they had some woodwork who wasn’t taking care of business, okay?
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yeah, on top of JC Hanley eight new clients also did the billing for February. To get that done as well. Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: Yeah, that I didn’t just under the wire just the way I had to be done before 12:00 11:59 pm that that was the last day or we would have had a problem, which I would have tried to push back on saying, If it wasn’t for you guys getting in trouble, we wouldn’t have come in this late. We would took care of business and gone about our business. so,
JC EPHRAIM: CCA for real what they call actual cost reimbursement. It is really, really a lot of work yesterday. We as part of this, we delivered the
JC EPHRAIM: The kids. The healthcare kids, we delivered them to them even though I don’t know several of them, they would infected back in February. They may not need them for February, but we know there’s these repeat incidents of infections so we got that. So we just keep pressing but that one really well by the way all of those deliveries went. Well I’ve yet to enter them in the system. They were done rather late and some other stuff to do. So I will put those in today. As part of our justification. For after hours, we work after hours. Another thing that pops out to me, we did set this up. Correctly for us for our community and for how, maybe they all should be operating. This is definitely not a Monday through Friday nine to five. Thing.
JC EPHRAIM: And that’s if they don’t get that from their analysis, on the back end, I don’t know what they’re able to learn. They should get just know. This, the way we do It is the way it works, meaning you do what you need to do, and you work it on a seven-day schedule. In the clock is 24 hours a day, you do what you need to do. You can get it done and be real time and get real time. Get caught up and and stay caught up, but whatever they’re doing. It wasn’t working. Now admittedly, we got to take Account people probably got sick with covid and who knows what happened? I take it poets, a factor in everything, but for them not to watch their house. And then the leadership we know, has been infected. We know they’ve been infected. We know they’ve been affected by their infection.
JC EPHRAIM: That’s how I’m looking at all of this nonsense that’s going down, is that? That their house is not in good shape and they’re actually in leadership, you know, so any questions or comments, you have about that.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay. Kevin, I think wanted to tell us about an antidote. He has regarding covid, long covid related to what happened health-wise and Nizala, that. Also, I’m gonna speak to those who don’t know what happened to you and Nana’s, aunt. It’s currently going on. And this is her third covid infection, and she’s an ICU all of its related.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Oh, I didn’t even know that.
JC EPHRAIM: Whoa, you didn’t. She didn’t tell you, huh?
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: That she’s in ICU. That on Susan ICU. No, I mean I have not been home. so,
JC EPHRAIM: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: I I figured she would have called well I guess and…
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: No.
JC EPHRAIM: she you know what, you might be right. You know who else? She didn’t tell. I just realized she tell Rose. She didn’t talk to Rose about it, huh?
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: oh, Yeah, I usually my mom called me went through the hospital.
JC EPHRAIM: Oh, she’s been in the hospital,…
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Here. Oh,
JC EPHRAIM: it’s very bad. In fact, you know, it’s not sure, she’ll survive. Is serious. You mean she didn’t tell you this?
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: No.
JC EPHRAIM: My God is serious. It’s very serious. I’ll
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: I know she’s went on her trip today. I wasn’t going to see her because I’m at Maddie’s. Oh,
JC EPHRAIM: My goodness, I am so. Oh God nizala, I’m sorry. I I just took it. I just took it that she definitely would have told…
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: No. And I talked to her yesterday.
JC EPHRAIM: what was up, but was going,
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: No, I talked to her on Friday.
JC EPHRAIM: Wow. Wow.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: When I had my house tour which didn’t go, well, but we can talk about that under the time. Okay, well I’ll call after this meeting.
JC EPHRAIM: All right.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: I’ll call him
JC EPHRAIM: well, you may want to You might want to leave the meeting to call. This is this is your Aunt Sue.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yeah. Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: Take a look at your
JC EPHRAIM: You see it? See the picture.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Oh wow.
JC EPHRAIM: That’s your Aunt. Sue, that’s that’s as real time yesterday. That’s the picture. You’re not a guy.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: oh,
JC EPHRAIM: This very serious. Apparently, she didn’t tell you. Oh, I feel like such a dunce.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: No, she didn’t tell me.
JC EPHRAIM: I should have I just never thought you she called me.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Oh, she does not look good at all.
JC EPHRAIM: She is not in good shape, there’s a lot going on. I mean, when I say a lot, I mean covid. She’s got meningitis. She’s got so what’s that other thing? Shingles that started. Um, things are not well blood pressure.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: That’s our last living on her dad’s side.
JC EPHRAIM: Yeah, she was not in falling apart but she was highly emotional and she said the only person she wasn’t telling was Rose because Rose would just sort of go into that. Aunt Sue was strong and she ain’t gonna accept that. They need to come together and start making plans. You know. That that this is very serious. Yeah, I wish she would have told you so you could at least a call to let somebody know you know and you care. I don’t know what role. I don’t know. It’s I don’t know what Nana was thinking. That blows me away. I’m sorry. No that Sean rose. Because I told her what she sent me a picture. Because it may help my family. Understand how serious this is our. Aunt Rose’s, third, and third. This is I, I sue perfection.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: And soon. Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: This is the third cultivation.
JC EPHRAIM: And they found it when she was at the hospital. This third time, she came in, she was unstable, things are going crazy and our body. She’s having a dementia kind of thing happening. She’s delusional, the not in a right mind stuff, a lot of stuff going on, you know. And I think she’s on dialysis right on Sue, she has a fistula you know I’m now. And like Anna,…
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: oh,
JC EPHRAIM: Michelle. That’s what I took it from her with. I understood your Nana correctly. A lot’s going on a whole lot.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: So, Aunt Rose does know though now. No. No,…
JC EPHRAIM: Whoa, no no, not to my knowledge unless you told her, okay? Huh.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: I had and I Nana Gail is probably soon her conference. I don’t know.
JC EPHRAIM: Yeah, I wouldn’t I wouldn’t call our road…
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yeah. Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: until after talking to your man because she told me she wasn’t going to tell Rose and that’s all she said. She didn’t say, Don’t tell nizala because I would have told her not that ain’t gonna work. He shouldn’t have told me. You know, we don’t roll like that. She’s got my back my right arm my left. I couldn’t even imagine not being transparent with it. So you need to tell her, I’m gonna tell her, I’m not feeling any discomfort about that, don’t get that wrong.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: It’s just that I I don’t like bombing an emotional bomb. You may have had lollipops and balloons today in your mind. And then I’m dropping this news. You say, Wait a minute, my aunt Rose Sue is in the hospital.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: I did not know you didn’t know and it’s been a journey. It’s been. This is, this is a hospital of a hospital of a hospital back to the hospital. It’s a second or third hospital, they were moving around. She’s been in bed, a bad shape for a while. Not a wild. Wow. But in the last 30 days,
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yeah. Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: Who has been in having a tough fight. She’s been in a tough fight, but it just started back by the time they got to check in at Jackson Hospital. You know, the hospital in Jackson. They got a room in Jackson within hours. They have to take her to ICU. They couldn’t stabilizer even in a room, things start going south. So that’s the picture. She said from what they took in center. And there and and she’s thinking that they’re putting sort of, you know, family want to put the best face on it.
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: She’s concerned about that because she said, JC Everything was going in the wrong direction and because she she’s the best of what she do. You know, stop, she said,…
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Yeah. I’ll call after the meeting.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay. All right, you can go. Now if you need to, I’m serious if you think Yeah,…
Nizala Mwamba-Smith: Okay, I’m gonna call. I’m a caller. Okay.
JC EPHRAIM: go now. Okay, go ahead and go now. You you go now. Alright, tell them. We’re praying. All right, go now Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: This is getting to be sort of a habit here, telling people to drop out of meetings for health reasons, but fortunately in the case of nizala she’s dropping out a meeting for health reasons. And then it’s not heard this one, having a health crisis, Okay, Kevin you go ahead Florence yours about the antidote and And how it relates to covid.
Kevin J: So again. Don’t two recent anecdotal experiences one. Oddly enough was at a 7-Eleven. I went to a 7-Eleven on my walk. Wanted to get a drink like. Okay, here’s some green tea. Oh, this is great, there’s a sign in the fridge, the beverage fridge, That says, two for $2.50. so, I walk up to the register, Got punches it through. It says, that’ll be $3.86. I said Sir that’s the wrong price. These are two for 250 He says Well the register says you know, 386. So I went back to the refrigerator took a picture of the 7-Eleven sign with the green tea right behind the sign. Brought it back up to the register. Showed him the photo. and he looked at me and he said, Well, it’s wrong. And all I’m thinking, is.
Kevin J: It’s your sign. How can it be wrong? But you put it there. so I left the T on the counter so that I will keep when he went to put the T back, he would see the sign that said, There’s two dollars, two for 250 but, the reason I bring it up as an anecdote is, Well, one and JC, I’ll add this. I didn’t mention this before, when I went back the next day to sign was gone. Which is fine. But somebody glitched and didn’t remove the sign. In coordination with their inventory system, that tracks prices and brings up the right price at the register. And then the guy at the register, Stood in his, You know, hypervigilance of. No, I’m right, you’re wrong. But when you’re in a retail establishment, the number one rule is revenue. so, rather than get 250, he got zero
Kevin J: Most businesses that are retail like that, like no problem. They would take the 250, go, remove the sign and keep it moving, but not him. And, and it was also his body language his tone of voice that made me think, Okay, he just went into hyper vigilance mode, over $2.50. I’m thinking most people have had covid and I’m thinking he’s got covid, too.
Kevin J: Now, the next one. Is about money.
Kevin J: I have a checking account with no check. So whenever I write a check, I always write a cashier’s. Check that way. There’s no confusion that the funds were available because when you deposit a cashier’s check from one bank into another bank, they literally treat it like cash because interbank agreements. So, I gave someone a check. And the name on the check was off by one letter. There was a, you know, they’re like there’s a letter in that they turned into a u or something. so, I get a call that says, Hey, by the way, the name on the check was wrong. You know. Can you get us a new one? Yeah, sure, no problem. It’s in an envelope. I’m not thinking about it. so,
Kevin J: Yesterday, I go to the bank. And I said, Hey the name on this cashier’s, these two cashiers checks are wrong. I need you to reissue them. And the Ethiopian woman who is a teller turned the check over and said, Oh we can’t do that. And I said, Why not? She said, well, there’s a deposit stamp on the back of the check from Wells, Fargo where the check was To be deposited.
Kevin J: And then I thought, Okay. This is long covid from beginning to end. So when I gave the check to a person, they didn’t know that the name was spelled incorrectly. The manager didn’t know that their
name, the name was spelled incorrectly and more importantly. The teller at Wells Fargo. Check to see if the funds were there. And then stamped it. Without seeing if the name was correct, which by the way, is part of their job. So JC talks about non-attending. And this was literally a string of people not attending and you might even include me because, you know, I just, I just assumed it was correct, you know, when I, when I gave it to him, I didn’t even look because it’s never been an issue in the past. but I’ll say more importantly the person who sits at the most important position who is the teller Who gets to decide?
Kevin J: Is this money going in or not? Didn’t do it. And the reason I know they didn’t do it is because the checks have the stamp on the back So they cleared the funds said This thing is is deposited in this account number and now they’re trying to walk it back.
Kevin J: and I bring both of these situations into an account into, you know, into the conversation and I’ll say Um, Don, damn, you very much. I usually use a different word, but when you told me, this is what it’s like to live with long covid. I got it. But now I really got it.
Donald Ephraim: Yeah.
Kevin J: I because I’m seeing it every day and I’m telling I was telling JC I need to figure out. How to be? In a situation where I’m working with a person but more importantly, we’re hopefully I can trust a process because I know I can’t trust the person. Because I’m seeing more and more and more instances of these glitches occurring in my personal life, let alone, you know, with the data, the large, the data we’re seeing, and you know, the larger economy, larger society, other, you know, other anecdotes. Yeah. People are just they’re slipping and tripping and glitching, and Getting things wrong. And Then I scaredly said to JC Well you know I’ve already brought up what happens if Pops do that. My bigger concern is what happens in the judiciary with lawyers and judges. You said, Oh it’s already happening.
Kevin J: And then I don’t even want to think about health care, like I’ve never been one fun of putting myself in a situation where I got to go to a hospital. but definitely not now
Kevin J: Because you know, somebody who’s like the teller who’s a doctor, or a nurse. Could make the same mistake. They could just push something through without looking at the details to see. What was it even supposed to happen. So those are just two examples of 7-Eleven guy in a situation with the cashier’s check. And I fully expect more and more circumstances circumstances like this to happen. So I not only have to try to work with a process but also be prepared for how to deal with these things when they happen, not if they happen.
JC EPHRAIM: Any comments or feedback or comments, or anything anybody?
Donald Ephraim: You’re welcome.
JC EPHRAIM: Yeah, you’re welcome.
Kevin J: Thank you, sir.
JC EPHRAIM: It’s real. It’s real. In fact, one of the things you have to Kevin has spoken to me about this. I start thinking about it. I see, you know what? As a result of Covid. We got supply shortages. So, all and I’ve been saying this over and over again. Go ahead, David.
David Elfalan: well, just thinking I told Buddy. It’s The last.
JC EPHRAIM: We’re not understanding you got a bit so good. Good squared up. Go ahead. Try again.
David Elfalan: Can you hear me?
JC EPHRAIM: We can hear you now, clear. Now, so it’s clear. Now go ahead. Before, it’s not clear.
David Elfalan: Okay.
David Elfalan: well, I was, I would just saying that I would last time I went to see my doctor I asked him if he’s ever had Covid. And he said No so far, I haven’t caught it. I don’t want to jinx myself, but he said, I haven’t got it. So, I don’t know if you go to the bathroom, doctors and questions. but,
JC EPHRAIM: Oh, I do. That’s them all.
David Elfalan: so,
David Elfalan: so, I was saying,
JC EPHRAIM: Yeah.
JC EPHRAIM: Yeah, I I asked them all. I asked I sell them. I’m well, I don’t tell them. I’m doing good. I tell them, I’m well, are you? I asked different ways? I’m coming up with different ways of asking the same question of, Are you okay, it’s easy. Are you okay? Because it does make a difference. You got it and in fact I have a hard time I’m looking at them. When I ask the question, I’m looking at them and using all the skills. I’ve got about people when they’re lying it rather than until the truth. Um, I don’t know what that look like. No, I haven’t got it. I know that over 50%. They estimate is asymptomatic. That covid things that but but in terms of, yeah, I do ask that question. I bring it in terms of what I was starting to say about Kevin’s situation.
JC EPHRAIM: The attitude covid has caused the attitude of vendors and people with supplies. We need to change is shifted it from a customer. To a seller being in control of the relationship. In other words, Kevin says he lost the money. I can see the guy doing this. I just made some money. Because the seller to Kevin for 250. Means he can’t sell it to the next customer. That’s going to want it for the three dollars and whatever set. And that’s directly due to staff shortages. I mean, that’s that supply shortages. There’s so much supply shortage going on that it shifts. in the thing, when I was out there in the mix, you know, working with these cats who are slinging, you know, dope, big weight,
JC EPHRAIM: when there was a little bit of cocaine and heron around, That the price would go up. But beside the pricing, the attitude. When it was flooded out there, Somebody say Hey man this ain’t right to give him another one. Hey, take another freeway. Take another freeway when the market was s***** and there was very little supply around. You come back and tell them that that stuff wasn’t cooked up writer cut, right or whatever. That was those guys look at you and say What you want your money back? Yes. Yes. How do you what? What you want your money back? You say What? Yeah, you want your money back? Give me back to Coke, or give me back the hair on and the coke. I’ll give you your money back because that guy standing behind you every day. The, the smaller the supply
JC EPHRAIM: The higher the price. So I’m gonna make some money. So when there’s supply shortages, That’s the issue. You look at housing. Look at what’s happening in the broader thing in the housing market, when it’s flooded, Get a better price. When a short they taking no mess. Now, I want a big down payment. No, no, I don’t want to pay that much. You ain’t gonna lose this sale. They say I don’t care about yourself the guy right, you’ll pay me more. So we have to be aware what Covid is doing to us is changing the rules. If you will, it changes the rules. So keep that as part of your awareness, as we deal with, on our personal level, and on our business level. Go ahead. Kevin
Kevin J: Oh, and there’s a third anecdote, I forgot to mention. So have a good friend who’s in Victoria bc brother, from Senegal works, for the Canadian government, but he also has been putting on a Kizomba festival. And so, it’s next weekend, And I said, Hey how’s it going? He said Great. I said You sound really calms. Yeah, I got things covered Said, are you gonna break even this year? He said, Oh absolutely. I said, What was your break? Even number. He said, 400 passes So we’re going to have 400 people at the Victoria Convention Center. Thursday, Friday, Saturday Sunday. Dancing kizomba.
Kevin J: Which is, you know. Damn near making out without touching lips. That’s how close you are. It’s an embrace the whole time. And I was asking him about any covid mitigation. He said, Oh the the convention center is going to provide hand sanitizer. And they have good ventilation, I said, Okay, our mass required. He said no. said, okay, and then I asked about Covid. Generally speaking in Victoria. and he said, Well,
Kevin J: And I’m summarizing. Since covid’s not in my mind, like I don’t hear it in the news. It’s like it’s not there.
JC EPHRAIM: Okay.
Kevin J: I said, okay. I said, Is anybody getting sick? He said Well people will say they’re unwell. But then they don’t get tested for Covid.
Kevin J: So they may stay at home or if they come out to dance they name it when they’re they may wear a mask but nobody checks to see if they’ve had covid. I said, Okay. And I’m thinking, I I see a little bit of that in Seattle. Actually, a lot of that in Seattle, in the dancing scenes.
Kevin J: He’s basically going to be hosting a Super Spreader event this coming weekend. And people are lining up and paying hundreds of dollars to participate. I told them, Hey, in past years, you know, with with most of my friends who run festivals, I buy a pass or two for someone who couldn’t afford to go and a full pass, so they can do everything. I said But you know, in the last two years, I’m not doing that, what I will do is if you want me to buy PPE for the event. I’m happy to do that. And he said, Oh okay, I’ll let you know. I’m not gonna hear from him. He’s not thinking about PPE, he’s not trying to have me buy any PPE. And in particular from the point of view of people in the dance community, If they see someone wearing a mask they assume that they are sick not that they’re trying to keep from getting sick or trying to prevent other people from getting sick that they are. In fact, contagious in the moment if they’re wearing a mask
Kevin J: And that’s, that’s my third anecdote.
JC EPHRAIM: Right? I want to take a moment to share with you guys. What does Kevin is saying what it looks like multiply Times 400 tickets? Now, imagine what you about to see, multiplied, times 400 tickets and the risk of covid infection.
JC EPHRAIM’s Presentation: again, you
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